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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 11:58 AM
Hello and welcome to STar Trek trivia. We'll kick things off in 2 minutes.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 11:58 AM
Hello
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 11:59 AM
Yeeeeee!
Trivia Time! πŸ™‚
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:00 PM
I are here.
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 12:00 PM
======TREK TRIVIA======
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:00 PM
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!
And welcome to Star Trek trivia! Now, I know that the Nova event in room #1 is going to be very popular, so we'll see how many people we get here. But let's get going...
I don't think we can do any trivia game without first acknowledging the passing of long-time Jeopardy! host Alex Trebek. Let's take a moment of silence before we start.
Thank you.
Who all is here? If you don't mind, could everyone say their name and whayt club they're from?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:04 PM
OH! we're all ST peoples. There is a petition and its already over 15k signed, wanting Levar Burton to be the new host. And yes. I already miss Alex. That man fought tooth and nail and did that till the bitter end.
starfleet 1
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:04 PM
Yes, let's sign!
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The Professor 14-Nov-20 12:04 PM
Ffion, Independence fleet
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:04 PM
Hold on let me give the link.
Should I put it in here or...which chan?
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:05 PM
You can post it here
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:05 PM
Norman, Pegasus Fleet
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:05 PM
Whoa!! now its up to 75k
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:05 PM
All right! While @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia is getting the link, here's how the game will work. (edited)
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:06 PM
Chapman, Indy (USS Ariadne)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:06 PM
Thanks! And welcome again to those just joining us.
Since this is the last FallFest sponsored by Ongoing Worlds, I decided to go back to the beginning... the very beginning. This is going to be Star Trek TOS Season 1 trivia. I have one question from each of the 28 episodes, and then one final tie breaker question if we need it.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:07 PM
Great
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:07 PM
And, Angelus, I'm representing USF.
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:07 PM
@Storming Norman - do us proud man!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:07 PM
Everything I know about TOS I read in a book.
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:08 PM
You get one point for being the first person to correctly answer a question. If you know the answer, just type it and hit enter.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:08 PM
I'm a TNG/DS9 kid.
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June 14-Nov-20 12:08 PM
meh, personally I think they should choose someone wise and good - tom guy from dancing with the stars would be good, imo., but I leave it up to the studios.
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:08 PM
I'll periodically provide updates on the scores. No cheating!!!
As for the prize, sorry, it's just bragging rights. spock
Is everyone ready for Question 1?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Yes
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
yup
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Question 1:
In the epsidode "The Man Trap," what is the creature attempting to extract from the crew's bodies?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Salt Vampire
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Salt Vampire
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Close
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:09 PM
Salt Vampire
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
Salt (not vampire)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
+1 to @[IDF] Ken Gillis Salit is the answer!
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
Not what is the creature. What is it extracting.
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
Salt
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
Salt
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
Crap..not the creature lol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
You know what, I already gave +1 to Ken, but I'll give +1 to @Mikey- Rozia too!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:10 PM
I read that as "what is the creature, which is attempting to extract salt from the crew's bodies?". Brain added in unwritten context
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:11 PM
I think everyone should get a point that said Salt in it lol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:11 PM
haha
Question 2:
The only Enterprise crewmember Charlie X respects and will listen to is whom?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
Kirk
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
Kirk
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
Kirk
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
Spock
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
+1 @Storming Norman
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
(Pretty sure it's Kirk, but covering all bases)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:12 PM
It is Kirk!
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
(Okay, I was defintiely gonna be off, I was thinking Scotty lol)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
Question 3:
In the pilot episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Captain Kirk's middle initial is listed as what?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
T
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
G
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
No...
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
Robert
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:13 PM
B
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
Looking for a middle initial...
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
R
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
R, yeah.
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
+1 @Storming Norman It is R!
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
Tiberious was changed to after that.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
James Riberius Kirk
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
It suppose it was before all that canon discussion.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:14 PM
(TOS is my worst series subject, but I'm sure it's gonna be obvious! :D)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
@Mikey- Rozia, you've already got one point so it's not all bad.
Question 4:
The events of "The Naked Time" were first repeated in a future episode of what later Star Trek series?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
The Naked Now
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
TNG
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
Next gem
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
on, TNG ,yeah
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
TNG
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
TNG
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
+1 @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia TNG
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:15 PM
You know, I keep assuming you're asking a harder question than you're asking
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
Question 5:
In "The Enemy Within," Kirk is split into two Kirks, a one and a _ one.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
Good and Evil
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
Calm and violent
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
good and bad
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
Good / Evil
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
Good and bad
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:16 PM
+ @[IDF] Ken Gillis good and evil
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:17 PM
Aint what I said really what? -sniffles-
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:17 PM
I would have accepted all of those answers.
Moving on...
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:17 PM
pats @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia on the head
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:17 PM
Question 6:
In "Mudd's Women," what does the Venus Drug do?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
Makes women fall in love
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
make women irresistible
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
+1 @Nathalie Chapman
it creates illusionary beauty
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
Make them look prity when there not
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
Dang, almost got it!
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:18 PM
@Storming Norman I suppose that is one way to put it
Question 7:
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:19 PM
That's called alcohol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:19 PM
In "What are Little Girls Made Of," we first see this type of cybernetic being in the Star Trek universe.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Android
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Android
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Android
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis android!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Android
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Question 8:
In "Miri," the crew finds a planet inhabited entirely by what?
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
children
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
plants
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Kids
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:20 PM
Children
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:21 PM
+1 @Storming Norman it is kids/children!
Question 9:
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:21 PM
Aactually, looks like @Nathalie Chapman got that one? or were we all at the same time?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:21 PM
[May I ask real quick, how come its all TOS?[
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:21 PM
oh wait, you're right!
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:21 PM
πŸ˜‰
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
I'm good with it, but..its all been TOS.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
because Charles is very old
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
the point goes to @Nathalie Chapman. My apologies for not seeing that answer first!
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
NP πŸ™‚
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
Sorry @Storming Norman , gotta call that one as I sawed it.. 😦
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
Its okay, I know TOS I just figured, do it randomed up.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
That’s ok
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
I promise no one gave me any money before this game started... (edited)
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:22 PM
IS it too late now? lol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:23 PM
@Mikey- Rozia PM me! shhhh!
Okay, last point went to Nathalie. Sorry Norman.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:23 PM
πŸ‘
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:23 PM
Question 9:
In "Dagger of the Mind," Spock employs what special Vulcan move for the second time?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Mind meld
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Vulcan Nerve Pinch (edited)
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Vulcan pinch
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis it is the Vulcan nerve pinch
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Aaaand that came to mind as soon as I hit enter lol
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
He gives Kirk a hug
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Hey, it was 50/50
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
True, true
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
Yep, gotta be one or the other.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:24 PM
And with the speed of everyone else, no time to think about it!
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:25 PM
Or I suppose it could have been the eye brow raise.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:25 PM
Or the two-finger-sided peace sign
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:25 PM
That too.
Question 10:
In "The Corbomite Maneuver," Balok is played by Clinton Howard, brother of what famous director?
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:25 PM
Ron Howard
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:25 PM
That would have been a good question. How was the Vulcan salute come about.
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:26 PM
+1 @[PF] Amethyst Ron Howard it is!
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:26 PM
Wow! I guessed!
LOL
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:26 PM
*how did
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:26 PM
lol
I was thinking Steven Spielberg, but I knew it would have been wrong (edited)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Question 11:
What crewmember hijacks the Enterprise in "The Menagerie"?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Spock
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Montgomery Scott
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Spock
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Sulu
(once again, covering all bases)
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
Spock
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
(ditto)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
+1 @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia Spock
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:27 PM
My fingers!
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:28 PM
Okay, the next one is kinda tough. I'll be flexible on the first person who gets pretty close. (edited)
Question 12:
In "The Conscience of the King," the former leader of a massacre is now leaing a what?
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 12:28 PM
theatre troupe
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:29 PM
theatre company
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:29 PM
A dance party!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:29 PM
Shakespeare company
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:29 PM
Is it Garth of Izar?
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:29 PM
+1 @Kylindra , yes, a Shakespearean acting troupe
nice job!
dance party, ha!
Buzzers ready!
Question 13:
In "Balance of Terror," we first see this technology later commonly used by both the Klingons and the Romulans.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
Mine isn't working.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
Disruptor
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
Claoking Device
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
cloaking device
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
Cloaking field
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
CRAP!
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:30 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis for the cloaking device!
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
Crrrrrrap, again, one or t'other
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
(I blanked on field vs device for a moment. c.c)
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
Tickling glove
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
I put cloak first but the slowmode.
It didn't go through.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
Could've also been Plasma Torpedo
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
PFFFT.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
But, Klingons don't really use that much
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:31 PM
(I've temporarily removed slow mode from this channel)
starfleet 1
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
Nuclear wessels
Question 14:
In "Shore Leave," which series regular is killed only to be brought back to life?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
Nurse Chapel
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
Checkov?
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
McCoy
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
+1 @Nathalie Chapman it was McCoy in this episode.
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:32 PM
Phew πŸ™‚
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:33 PM
The writer
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:33 PM
Though I believe just about all of them were killed and came back at some point over the three seasons. πŸ˜‰
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:33 PM
and I butchered Pavel's name and I know it!
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:33 PM
That brings us to the halfway point!
The score currently stands at:
@[IDF] Ken Gillis 5 @Nathalie Chapman 3 @Storming Norman 2 @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 2 @Mikey- Rozia 1 @[PF] Amethyst 1 @Kylindra 1
It's still anyone's game!
Moving on...
I need you to be specific on the next answer.
Question 15:
In the episode of same name, what shuttle named after a famous astronomer is featured prominently?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
Galilieo
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
Copernicus
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
Galileo (edited)
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
Galileo
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
more specifically...
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:36 PM
Galileo seven
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:37 PM
+1 @Storming Norman I was looking for Galileo 7
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:37 PM
Well done @Storming Norman !!
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 12:37 PM
Yeeee!
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:37 PM
Ahhh, the seventh clone of Galileo! πŸ˜„
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:37 PM
Question 16:
The video game "Star Trek: Judgment Rites" was based off of what character from the episode "The Squire of Gothos"?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Garth of Izar
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Train train
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Kah'less
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Trelane
Sorry
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Trilane
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Got it mixed up
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Trelane
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis Trelane is the right answer.
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
Trelane
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:38 PM
If you're a fan of Trelane, check out "Q Squared". It's a novel about him
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I swear, if and when Charles asks a question where the answer is Garth of Izar, I'm going to get it wrong
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:39 PM
Probably lol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:39 PM
Question 17:
In what episode do we first see the Gorn? (And possibly the worst fight scene ever.)
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:40 PM
Arena
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:40 PM
Arena
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:40 PM
+1 @Storming Norman , yes, it was Arena!
For the next one, I am looking for a very specific answer. Think back to the episode.
Question 18:
What type of celestial body sends the Enterprise hurling back in time in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
Metroid
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
Samus
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
The Sun
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
Sun
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
HA!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
Metrons
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
a black star
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
what did they actually call it in the episode?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:41 PM
Black hole
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
Tomorrow is Yesterday
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
Sol
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
Yes, +1 @[PF] Amethyst , a "black star"
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
I tried to think of something witty and my brain froze
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
I would have accepted black hole as well since it is technically a black star.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
Ya @[PF] Amethyst
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
Although I'm not sure that's exactly what they meant in the episode.
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:42 PM
black hole is what I meant to write but my brain malfunctioned
LOL
again with the guessing
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:43 PM
Question 19:
In "Court Martial," who is on trial?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:43 PM
Kirk
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:43 PM
<kirk
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:43 PM
Kirk
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:43 PM
+1 @Mikey- Rozia for being fastest with the buzzer!
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
mumbles πŸ˜‰
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
For the next one, I'm looking for the character's name.
Question 20:
In "Return of the Archons," the crew find a society controlled by what entity?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
Apollo
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
No, different episiode.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
Landrew
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:44 PM
+1 @Storming Norman
Landru
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
erases part of the question and inserts proper episode
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
This is your 15-minute warning
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
Question 21:
In "Space Seed," what planet are Khan and his followers left on?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
Ceti Alpha V
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
VI
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
Ceti Alpha VI
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
A nasty one
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
for Ceti Alpha V, not VI!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
I getthem mixed up, because they changed for the movie
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:45 PM
Oh left on yeah V
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:46 PM
"You didn't expect to find me... you thought this was Ceti Alpha VI!"
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 12:46 PM
Did they change? I know one of them exploded. But I can never remember which one was which.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:46 PM
yeah, that's the issue
That's why I answered both.
But, luckily, first one was right
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:46 PM
Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months after we were left here
Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress.
Why are you here?
Okay, sorry
Back to trivia...
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:47 PM
The best Star Trek movie ever made
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:47 PM
Khan!!!!!!!!
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starfleet 2
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:47 PM
(with the best sound track)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
Question 22:
In "A Taste of Armageddon," the people of Eminiar VII have made what neat and clean?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
War
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
War
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
Yup, war
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
Their toilets!
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
Can't put it cause its a vulgar answer lol
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
(Since war was already taken)
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:48 PM
+1 @Storming Norman it was war! what is it good for? (edited)
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
It's apparently good for an extra point for Norman.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
The men wore shoes in there heads
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
Question 23:
In "This Side of Paradise," what character falls in love?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
Scotty
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
Spock
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
spock
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
Checkov
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
Spock
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:49 PM
+1 @Storming Norman again with Spock! (edited)
We have two players, @[IDF] Ken Gillis & @Storming Norman tied for the lead with 7 points, and 5 questions left. Who will take the gold?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
Judas
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
Question 24:
"The Devil in the Dark" is which Star Trek actor's favorite episode?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
Shatner
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
George
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
Shatter
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis William Shatner, because his father died while they were filming it.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:51 PM
Shatner
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
That's a weird reason to have a favorite episode
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
I think it just really stuck in his mind--that combined with how the plot went in that episode.
Question 25:
In "Errand of Mercy," the Organian Peace Treaty is signed between the Fedeation and who?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
Klingons
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
Romulans
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
Klingons
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:52 PM
Romulans
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:53 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis , the Klingon Empire
@[IDF] Ken Gillis with a 2 point lead over @Storming Norman with 3 questions remaining
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:53 PM
Go @Storming Norman !
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:53 PM
It's coming down to the wire!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:53 PM
So, I just need to get one more right
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
I'm looking for a character's name for the next question, but I will accept two different answers.
Question 26
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
Bet you do
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
In the "Alternative Factor," what guest character enters in and out of the universe?
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
Wesley Crusher
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
Lazarus
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
Its Laz
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
I have no idea
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
....
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:54 PM
+1 @Storming Norman I would have also accepted Anti-Lazarus
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
Beat me to it, Norman
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
This is your 5-minute warning. Consider moving the conversation to the appropriate overflow room.
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
Two questions remaining!
I'll take the first close answer on the next one.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
Am I the only one that just saw a remider from the bot?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
We all see it
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:55 PM
Question 27:
In "The "City on the Edge of Forever," what significant historical event is unintentionally altered by Dr. McCoy?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
WWII
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
Not letting what's her name die
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
Rise of the Nazis to world power
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
She saved her.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
WWII
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:56 PM
+1 @[IDF] Ken Gillis WWII is the answer!
I would have taken that too @Mikey- Rozia
Final question!
Question 28:
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
42
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Garth of Izar
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
hah
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Anyone, anyone?
In "Operation: Annihilate!," what is Captain's Kirk's brother's name?
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Alan
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Robert
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Brian
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
What’s the question
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
Robert
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:57 PM
It starts with an S
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Sam
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Steve!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Sam
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June 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Steven
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
+1 @Nathalie Chapman Sam I am!
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Shit, yeah its Sam
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
And that brings us to a close. The final scores are:
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
crap, Rboert was his dad, wasn't he?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
Good job you two.
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 12:58 PM
George was his dad.
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Nathalie Chapman 14-Nov-20 12:59 PM
Nice finish for me πŸ˜‰
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 12:59 PM
Hey, I'm thrilled to get 2 points! Given my overall knowledge of TOS! lol
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 12:59 PM
I guessed both of my answers. LOL
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
@Kylindra with 1 point @[PF] Amethyst @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia @Mikey- Rozia with 2 points each @Nathalie Chapman with 4 points @Storming Norman with 8 points anr our winner @[IDF] Ken Gillis with 10 points
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June 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
I was more interested in the new nova
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
Well done everyone and thank you for playing!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
Where did I get Robert?
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
As if you don’t know
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
Next up is 0 to 10 in Record Time: How To Distinguish Your Game In 2020 with @[PE] Alexander
@[PE] Alexander , the floor is yours!
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
Oh that's me quickly gets notes
Nah just kidding, I did in fact prepare πŸ˜›
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:00 PM
Wait what? What is that?
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:01 PM
Okay everyone, first of all thank you all for joining this panel
As the title indicates for the next 60+ minutes we're going to be talking about a problem many GM's likely face
Less people to attract to your games and more sims to compete with
In times like these, having something unique to offer is vital not just to being big but, being in the first place
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 01:02 PM
Great topic.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:02 PM
Ahhh. Okies. Thank you for explaining.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:02 PM
For this session I'm kind of hoping to apply something one of my university professors always told me. The quickest way for people to forget what they hear is a monologue
So I'm hoping to start very shortly with a brief introduction
and from that point forward shift to a more workshop and q&a type deal
So please do get all your questions ready. πŸ™‚
As for the introduction, I'm Alexander. I've been simming on and off but mostly on for the past 15 years (from age 12 roughly). At first in the Dutch Star Trek community and as of 2009 in the international one
Throughout this time I've easily led 15 sims and saw the trends that were unfolding
Where things were easy in 2005, and quite frankly a lot of low quality writing was the norm
Things have massively matured since then
To a level where almost every sim has novel quality writing
The best way to distinguish yourself in this is to develop a unique selling point, and this can literally be anything
Are you great at world building?
Develop a universe around the sim
Are you a massive people's person?
Foster the community through games and other fun stuff
The key is to focus on your strengths
and use those to make an impact
To give a small illustration of something I saw, @[22] greenfelt has developed a pretty amazing sim in the USS Black Hawk
The activity has consistently been on top for years with basically no dips
and the community is closeknit
Combine that with interesting stories and you get a formula for longterm growth and high membership numbers
At the same time there is a classic in Starbase 400 by MBremer
This sim has leveraged both age and the profile of the GM to stay big and active
And throughout every fleet you can find more examples like these.
Everyone is capable of doing something like this
But the most important thing is finding your niche
Now that is kind of the basis I wanted to set with this introduction, the importance of a niche, unique selling point or whatever you want to call it
Now I'd like to ask for examples from the floor of sims they are on or lead
And if we can find that niche together πŸ™‚
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:10 PM
Angelus, 25 years, CO, XO, Staff, number of orgs. Still currently staff for one. Things on any have been up and down as always happens. The largest issue I have always run into in any aspect is toxic players. They want to try to get along, they put on a front, and then work with other people in the background to screw over other players they simply don't like. Be it how they play their characters or maybe something personal OOC.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:11 PM
Toxic players is definitely a problem a lot of (especially older) sims face
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:11 PM
Pegasus Fleet Deep Space Three https://ds3.rpg-hosting.com (for reference and niche finding)
A member of Pegasus Fleet
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:11 PM
Basically as time goes on, you're eventually going to find one of them
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:11 PM
The sims, what they are, isn't really the issue, its those behind the curtains.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:12 PM
There are honestly a few ways in my experience you can handle them
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and a lot goes back to your own skills as a GM
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Are you a strong people's person? Then there is value in trying to appeal to their inner part and try to find out what is causing their behaviour
Because no one is toxic without a reason
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Another strength, as a GM however is knowing when to call it quits
Your key interest is the prosperity, safety and welfare of your entire crew/staff
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If one person keeps ruining it, even if they are your most active poster or something
You need to pull the plug so to say
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:14 PM
I agree, you can deal with people if they are like that. If they are toxic for OOC reasons, or maybe IC reasons, still, you should know, or learn how to deal with it and be productive. Not F all of fellow players over just cause you're pissed off at the world.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:14 PM
Oh yeah that's for sure, never let one person poison the entire well for you
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:14 PM
*all of your
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:15 PM
In my experience, 99% of the people I've met over the past 15 years have been great
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:15 PM
@[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia Can we get back to the central topic please?
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:15 PM
The 1% unfortunately are something everyone deals with to get the 99
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:15 PM
That's all I was getting at is, that is a problem because if they don't get their way, or whatever reason, they throw sabo into the wood work, and we are Tobias. He asked for issues.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:15 PM
I've been looking over your sim on my second screen @[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 πŸ™‚
So the distraction has helped me look over the strengths and weaknesses haha
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:16 PM
As a CO, and Staff and representative of USF, I'm stating issues. πŸ™‚
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:16 PM
Yeah it's perfectly fine, the topic very much fit the greater thing here
Okay so DS3
The first thing I'm noticing is the length and quality of the writing combined with a high level of quantity
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June 14-Nov-20 01:17 PM
My experience is that people have their good days and their bad days. Everyone will disagree, but as per ucip use to do. There's always the knowledge of learning how to use idic and knowing not everyone plays the same way you do. Using that, you can work through any toxic situation.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:17 PM
Ie, there is a lot of posting compared to the average
In a way your very sim is already kind of a distinguishing niche (edited)
Starbases and station sims are pretty rare
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So they easily become something to get drawn into
On the other hand, they are also more difficult to write on as you don't have the flexibility of warping to another place if you need a change of scenery
So what I'd say is that putting some kind of focus on developing the local system more could actually really help you
Involvement in planetary politics perhaps?
Basically like we saw the ongoing Bajor arc in DS9
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:20 PM
I'd had thought some on that. Right now I'm still struggling with growth and retention.. thus my being here today.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:21 PM
Yeah, I feel growth might be solved if your recruitment ads emphasize the things that really distinguish you from the average Star Trek sim. Isolation, being on a base, addition of what I mentioned above. Retention, that unfortunately is hard to say from afar. But what you need is something to bind people to your sim beyond just a writing place
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The best sims feel like homes to their members
If you get that, you're set for life
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:21 PM
I know 118 (for example) ended up closing it's sole installation sim. (although 118 is an unusual duck in terms of how it runs, so it may not be a good cross example)
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:22 PM
@Kylindra honestly 118 is a pretty great example
Especially because we also have a long timespan to review it in
Many of the developments in the wider simming community can be seen in the specific development of older organizations like 118, Bravo Fleet, Obsidian Fleet, etc.
Installations are unique, but they need a lot going for them to remain stable
Which is why a lot fall
I remember back when I was TFCO in BF, I had 6-7 people start an installation
and all but one failed
but if you develop the unique strengths, you can defy the trends
and due to the uniqueness elevate it
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FrostedSiren 14-Nov-20 01:24 PM
. . . Post quality, you say? D'awwwww
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:25 PM
How do you balance "a lot going on will draw people in" with "not enough people to keep a lot going on"?
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:25 PM
Yes @FrostedSiren I would say the posts I've read are high quality πŸ™‚
Well there is a popular saying that I probably use more than I should
Fake it til you make it
Emphasize every little thing
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[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver 14-Nov-20 01:26 PM
I was on a planetary outpost/colony sim. It was wonderful and had a good following because the hosting team allowed people to not only do Starfleet characters but also civilians and the plots were not all Starfleet either, but were balanced with the planet and colony, not just the outpost. Then the hosting team changed and made it all about Starfleet and ruined it. You can make installation sims work, if you don't narrow your focus, but rather expand it.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:26 PM
And you do have quite a bit going on already imo
Your posting rate the last period I looked at has been beyond solid
Focus on that and you can show a place that is alive
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:27 PM
I really like the "develop planets" idea.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:27 PM
Yeah, it's one of the best things you can do as an installation
Because it makes a common weakness (being in one place), a strength (having a highly developed and alive place)
Most sims will visit a planet once or twice
but with a starbase you can make it real
@[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver Exactly!
And actually a perfect example of a sim distinguishing itself
A lot of people will go Starfleet only
But having civilians and aliens involved is something you don't see often
and don't easily have a replacement for
The same is for example a Marine only sim, someone who wants to write on that usually has 1 or 2 options
You always have to ask. "If I were a player, what would make me join A rather than B-Z?"
And do be honest to yourself
Or if you can't do that yourself, ask a friend to do so
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[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver 14-Nov-20 01:31 PM
One of the things I loved most about the outpost/colony was the fact that my engineer could do logs about working on the outpost and then going home and throwing a barbeque for friends. Hard to do on a ship.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:32 PM
Yeah, another example of what I mentioned earlier. That was a way to make the sim a community that felt like home
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:32 PM
One issue I have had with my Post-ENT Rom War sim, is people don't like being limited to playing Humans
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:33 PM
Definitely true, though a flipside with making your sim distinguishable is that not everyone will like your choices
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:33 PM
@[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver That's a great suggestion.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:33 PM
But like in life, you can never please everyone
Trying to do so will only result in pleasing no one
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[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver 14-Nov-20 01:33 PM
Why limit it to Humans only? You think that Earth is the only planet that sends out those who colonize planets?
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:33 PM
@[IP] Coffee Addict A Post-Ent sim is one of a kind by its own concept already
That is a unique selling point
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:34 PM
It is. Also we are making our own canon as we go
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:34 PM
I have my own example I recently relaunched, which is a sim based on a hypothetical where the Dominion won the Dominion War
and a fleet of refugee ships settled in the Delta Quadrant to return after 300 years to retake it
That's something that few places have
and if you can develop something like that
It's a strength
and yeah @[IP] Coffee Addict in that example I'd say your key strength as a CO is world building
and story telling
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:36 PM
mm. That's one of the things that drew me to an AU Earth sim that I'm in now
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:36 PM
Emphasizing that is the formula to growth and stability
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:36 PM
since you don't see AU Ent sims that often
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:36 PM
Absolutely
The same applies to for example mirror universe sims
Those are few and far between, although they do often have their own issues
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:37 PM
I've run into that a couple of times.. sometimes Niche can be too Niche
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FrostedSiren 14-Nov-20 01:38 PM
Unfortunately.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:38 PM
Well it's not just that they're too niche, it's just a lot of GM's and players struggle with truly getting the Mirror Universe
So either you have a sim that glorifies pure violence and are basically gorefests
Or you have slightly dark side regular Trek
Basically any kind of universe that has a lot of excess, is hard to balance
But in general things can be too niche for sure
With all things, there needs to be balance
Finding that balance takes time
but it's worth it in the end
Okay, does anyone have any specific questions or examples they want us to look at?
I guess not, perhaps we can do a little exercise then and try to find the niche for a fantasy example sim
Let's say, an independent Star Trek sim. A Sovereign Class set in the post Nemesis era just around the time of Hobus. The GM has a psychology degree in real-life and a very creative XO
How could this sim develop something unique?
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Sprite (Dragon Age: Legacy) 14-Nov-20 01:43 PM
looking forward to fantasy example
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:43 PM
I'm just now catching up, had to go outside and deal with the she-shed. @[IP] Coffee Addict I'm on an ENT era sim and I play a full Romulan.
Its all how you work it.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:44 PM
@Sprite (Dragon Age: Legacy) I'll be happy to do that in a few minutes πŸ™‚ I have some experience with fantasy sims as well
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:45 PM
Hah, kind of reminding me of my TA days when I asked a question of the class πŸ˜›
Moving on then
Fantasy sims
These are a particularly different challenge from the ones we discussed before
Because by design they have enormous potential, most fantasy universes have a lot of background and very little stories that are set in stone
To take as an example, A Song of Ice and Fire, or Dragon Age
We have entire worlds in these fantasy universes
but we have a couple of books and a show or a few games as far as official lore goes
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:47 PM
@[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia I am chosing to only have Humans. I am allowing 1 Coalition of Planets Species
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:47 PM
At the same time, there is very little infrastructure. A Star Trek sim can join any of dozens of simming organizations dedicated to just that
if they don't want to join a group, there are recruitment sites and Facebook groups
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 01:47 PM
i'm not sure you can call ASOIAF as "only a few books" πŸ™‚
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[USF] VAdm Killian Sylver 14-Nov-20 01:47 PM
Not really. I write fantasy novels in my spare time for fun, not published. I also have GM'ed Star Trek for 25 years. It's still just a matter of building a setting that the players can be creative in, and then come up with plot arcs that allow for all characters to have say in what happens and grow and progress.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:48 PM
So I'd say the largest challenge there is not having something to offer your players
But finding the players to offer it to
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:48 PM
It thought you said WHY does ENT have to be all humans. gotcha. (edited)
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:49 PM
Nope. Lol
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:49 PM
Though everyone else is, except helm, which is half human/Vulcan.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:49 PM
When I tried it what worked for me is going for things like subreddits
There are a lot of people who want to write a certain story
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and a lot of subreddits have fairly open advertisement policies if it's relevant to their main topic
So exposing your sim to them can jumpstart your playerbase
and from there it's word of mouth
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:50 PM
How do you find an appropriate sub-reddit? I've never touch the thing do to it's reputation.
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June 14-Nov-20 01:50 PM
Most Independents grow theirs using Disboard.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 01:51 PM
Disboard?
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:51 PM
@[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 in most cases just entering the universe already works like /r/StarTrek or /r/DragonAge
In other cases, google or the reddit search engine
I think they meant Discord @Beautiful Night
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June 14-Nov-20 01:52 PM
Nope
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:52 PM
LOL.. DisBoard would be a 21st century burn book.
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June 14-Nov-20 01:52 PM
won't let me share it here.
Pming you the link
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 01:52 PM
Its a place that you can find tons of sim links, and if you want disboard link, please PM @June Aint suppose to be a recruitment session.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:52 PM
Correction: It's real. https://disboard.org/
DISBOARD is the public Discord server listing community. You can search Discord servers by your interest like Gaming, Anime, Music, etc. Find and join some awesome servers listed here!
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
Ehm, yeah I'm hesitant to recruit from Discords
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June 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
See. Many can use that for their games and to find what interest them.
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
I'd be a little wary
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
In my experience most admins don't appreciate it
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
disboard gets a lot of discord simmers, and if you don't have a discord sim..
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FrostedSiren 14-Nov-20 01:53 PM
Reddit has some interesting subreddits. Don't judge them all by the few bad ones.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:54 PM
Yeah reddit is a reflection of the greater world
Lots of good, some bad, the bad are louder
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:54 PM
I am limited to discord recruitment servers and the fleet that I am in. Since I dont have social media
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June 14-Nov-20 01:54 PM
There's also some facebook groups.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:54 PM
@[IP] Coffee Addict perhaps just having a (fake) account exclusively for recruiting could work?
I know some players have created facebooks of their characters to get a presence on there
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:55 PM
I could do that
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 01:55 PM
I'd like to be the first to thank @[PE] Alexander ! This was most informative.
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
You are welcome @[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 , it's been very fun πŸ™‚
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Kylindra 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
yeah, this was a very interesting panel
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FrostedSiren 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
I attempted to join a discord RP fleet but I just can't get into it. Be wary of using unusual twitter accounts. Twitter has been ban happy since April
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Sprite (Dragon Age: Legacy) 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
thank you! great session.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
I'd be careful with Facebook and alternate accounts.
They tend to be ban happy, and it's technically against TOS to have two accounts
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FrostedSiren 14-Nov-20 01:56 PM
Thanks Alexander!
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:57 PM
If there are no other questions I think it's best if we make some early space for the next group. πŸ™‚ Thank you all for participating, you've been a great audience
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[IDF] Charles Star 14-Nov-20 01:57 PM
Thanks @[PE] Alexander, great event!
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[PE] Alexander 14-Nov-20 01:57 PM
And I look forward to the next time
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 01:58 PM
Yes! That you @[PE] Alexander
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:01 PM
Evening everyone. are we ready to go, or are we still all getting drinks?
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:01 PM
Afternoon. πŸ˜›
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:01 PM
I'm strapped in and ready to go whenever you are! πŸ™‚
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:01 PM
No I'm ready as I'll ever be.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:01 PM
I have to many ways of being wicked and its not funny. Except me.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:02 PM
Okay then. My name is Notty, and I'm the latest CO of Deep Space Five, a sim that has been around for over 15 years now. I personally joined it 11 years ago and have been running it for just over two years. Overall I've been roleplaying for twenty years and writing stories for far longer than that. Roleplaying and simming are just otherways of telling stories, and all great stories have one thing in common, a great villian. In the next hour I'm going to cover a few points of designing and running villians in your games. I'm also going to limit discussions to characters designed as villains from the get go, not good guys or neutral guys who become bad guys over a period of being in play. (evolving to the villain is a topic for a nother day) Make a good villain (Theme and detail) Play a good villian Defeat a good villain Does that sound good?
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:03 PM
Yeah as I have an NPC who is a villain. (edited)
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:03 PM
Yes!
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:04 PM
I think whenever I play a villain I tend to go a biiiiiit overboard, especially when I'm trying to get people to really really think hard about how to beat them and not just automatically have the answer handed to them! lol
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:04 PM
Okay. First question, who are your favourite villains?
@Mikey- Rozia we will definitely cover that
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
Blofeld. πŸ™‚
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
I would say the Joker from The Dark Knight
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
Romulans, Klingons. the normal Star Trek ones, and one or two anime vilains.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
And the Borg
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
Sheldon Cooper
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:05 PM
Maybe even the vampires from 30 Days of Night
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:06 PM
Q
[If we're only suppose to be going off of ST]
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:06 PM
All good choices, though you may have to sell me on Sheldon, @Storming Norman . here are some of mine:
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 02:06 PM
Okay. First question, who are your favourite villains?
@Beautiful Night that would definitely be @[RPGW] Amanda Rose πŸ˜›
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:07 PM
From some of the replies I wouldn't think so.
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:07 PM
😈 happily accepts the villain role
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:07 PM
if you hold your mouse over, you;ll see some of the groups I think they make when you look at the similarities
hilst its fair to claim the best villains are unique, its also fair to say the Villains can break down into a number of types, largely determined by their broad motivations. When I look at some of my favourites they break down as follows (If my gif isn't running automatically, hold the mouse over my villains to see how I divide up some of my favourites: β€’ Right things for wrong reasons (Magneto, Killmonger ) β€’ Delusions of the Greater Good (Gilead, General Chang, any number of Federation Admiral, The Neighbourhood watch β€’ Forces of Nature (The Shark, The Terminator, The Xenomorph) β€’ Existential Threats (The Borg, Reapers, The White Witch β€’ Vengeance hunters (Maleficient, Khan, Sarah Kerrigan) β€’ Megalomaniacs (Lady Macbeth, The Emperor, Voldemort) β€’ Agents of Entropy & Chaos (The Joker, Loki, Rebecca de Winter) β€’ Petty Bullies (Dolores Umbridge, Nurse Ratched, Obadiah Hawkswill) β€’ Corrupters (Satan, Darth Vader, Dracula, Hannibal Lecter) β€’ The Vain & Greedy (Cruella de Ville, CatWoman, Smaug
And there are others that I haven't decided on, e.g. Norman Bates, Hans Lander, Annie Wilkes
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:08 PM
Nora Satie
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:08 PM
I'm not saying my categories are universal, but when I break down the villains I like, this grouping makes sense to me. I recommend that everyone goes away and groups up the villains they like and see what themes emerge, as you are more likely to produce successful villains if they're in a similar group to other villains you love.
So, if you have a ship full of pirates, and obvious villian type for them would be one with Delusions of a Greater Good, thinks he's doing good works, but is really a hypocrite, or a petty tyrant, or just obsessed with enforcing the law.
And from that you can see how the juices begin to flow...
Not all types may be appropriate to all games. it may be harder to shoe horn a greed based villian into say, a post-scarcity universe, but it can be done. Look at Ferengi
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:11 PM
I have a rather good Romulan Riov who I think is a good vilian
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:12 PM
And which of my categoies do you think she falls in πŸ˜‰
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:13 PM
Going from the top of your list, 5, 6, 9.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:13 PM
Gene Roddenberry wanted his villains to be bad because they had a reason. Not because they liked it
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:13 PM
Right, there was a what behind the why
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:13 PM
Gene was right
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but I say, they can also like it
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like the Joker
Some people really do want to watch the world burn.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:14 PM
Yup, the Joker seeded chaos because he was an agent of chaos and liked it
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:14 PM
The Gorn for instance only attacked because the felt the federation was invading their space
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:14 PM
The Mayor and SPike from buffy both had their reasons (phenomenal cosmic power, love)
and were both having lots of fun
Which brings me on to step two: Back Story & Personality
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:15 PM
Two great examples, @Beautiful Night
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:15 PM
But in the original comics the Joker was only stealing to pay his sick wives medical bills
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:16 PM
ie. things that make them unique, what divides the EMperor from Skeletor
@PF Norman when a character has been running for 80 years, its going to get muddy. Im running on more recent interpretations
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:16 PM
Born in the city of Mneaha on the Rihannsu home world her Father was Romulan Enriov while her Mother was a Human prisoner captured over a decade before, she attended Phi 'lasasam the main naval training academy for the Empire. After a short while she was recruited by the Tal Shiar, and she has stayed with them ever since. This is a slice of my Romulan Riov's back story.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:17 PM
Ok take the recent Joker
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:17 PM
I'd say villains need a good connection to the players to be most effective.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:17 PM
Yes!
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:17 PM
Absolutely
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:18 PM
Can't argue with that.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:18 PM
Voldemort killed Harry potter's father. Darth Vader was Luke Skywalkers father. Miss Trunchball is Matilda's Headmistress, The Wicked Witch of the West is the sister of the woman Dorothy killed.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:18 PM
A manic depressive with parent issues
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:19 PM
And even them, that connection doesn't even have to involve them knowing the players personally beforehand
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:19 PM
there's a whole nother panel in how daddy issues get everywhere in fiction, and how they're very lazy writing
anyway In peripatetic games, such as ship-based games (E.g. star Trek, Firefly, Elite, Rogue Trader) it can be harder to make that personal connection, so early moments in an adventure may be needed to make that connection - such as when D'Artagnan meets Rochefort.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:19 PM
^ precisely what I was thinkign
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:19 PM
A chance early ecnounter, where the players either have to run away (most players I know are sore losers. this will hurth them, and they will hate that guy)
or in some otherway experience the villains power is useful
even if you don't meet the villain.
WE never meet the villain in the Usual Suspects. All we know is that absolutely everyone wets themselves at the mention of Kaiser Sose.
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@Storming Norman spoilers, darling, spoilers
but the point is made if freinds, bosses, confidents, are all reacting to a villain, you make that personal connection. and help build the back story. How have all their freinds come into contact? what network do they have that can be turned on the PCs etc
And when they finally do meet the villain, we move to the next step of villian creation, personality and skills
One quick and dirty way I have of making villains is to take a personality trait, may be something wholesome, like they're charming.
then turn it up to eleven
charming becomes manipulative
a disciplined person becomes rigid, spontaneous becomes reckless and impulsive becomes erratic and dangerously unpredictable,
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:25 PM
(Ah, yes.... my hero character, Michelle.... charming was manipulative. Totally CatWomaned her)
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:25 PM
Its extra useful for when we want our villains to be refelctions of our PCs.
eg. THe Borg.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:25 PM
Cat women is both hero and Villian
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:25 PM
Exactly @Storming Norman
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:26 PM
The Federation is an arch example of individualism and self actualisation
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 02:26 PM
a good villain trait I've found is quiet friendliness
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:26 PM
whats the opoosite of that? group think.
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 02:26 PM
the person who sits back, watches, listens and observes
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:26 PM
turn group think up to eleven, and you get abnegation of indiviudalism, or Borg
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:28 PM
Someone who he tells you how much they need you. Then stab you in the back and laugh while you bleed
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:28 PM
I find a villain who oozes an evil aura can catch peoples attention.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:28 PM
if you have a ship full of freewheeling pirates where the chaos is contained by the charter, you can turn that up to eleven, to an organisaiotn where the rules are harsh, and restrictive rather than freeing. Many villainous representation of the ROyal Navy go this way.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:29 PM
I don’t think the federation is any of that.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:29 PM
Wanna bet?
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:29 PM
Mmmm, I think the Federation is a great example of false-utopia
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:29 PM
They protect the weak
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
Propegator of idealism so long as you conform to their ideals
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
Well, Utopia does mean "No Place"
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
To the Ferengi, the Federation is the enemy of free enterprise
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
Or, rather, it was derived from the Greek "Ou Topis", meaning "No Place"
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
No, they sit and watch the weak die and hid behind the Prime Directive.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
I'm one behind.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
Getting back on topic
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
@Storming Norman avoid potential spoilers please πŸ™‚
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:30 PM
I loved the CD episode which was two weeks ago. Of Disc, that was awesome.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:31 PM
Villains need positive traits too. Hitler loved his fog
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:31 PM
And he was a beautiful artist
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:31 PM
I think you mean his DOG
And he was only a passible artist.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:32 PM
Villians, Timelord says Khan.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:32 PM
i do mean his dog.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:32 PM
Non-ST, and SWs I says Palpatine.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:32 PM
anything with a personality will have something positive. and it can be a useful tool in highlighting how wicked they are. Gul MAdred and his daughter, for example
happily tortured picard, loved her dearly
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:33 PM
How many lights.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:33 PM
FOUR LIGHTS
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:33 PM
which brings us nicely I think to part three. Villain tactics
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:33 PM
I figured something out after the years watching it. There actually are FIVE lights.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:34 PM
???????? No four.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:34 PM
Depending on how you look at it. There's four flood lights, but there's a fifth. Its on the device he keeps using to turn them on and off.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:35 PM
🀣
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:35 PM
Using petty little details against players is a good villain tactic. well spotted
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But when playing a villain, I've got a couple of useful rules. which I admit, I don't always follow.
1) Introduce them with a bang - first impressions count
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Do something dramatic. or have some react dramatically.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:36 PM
Like in John Wick
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:36 PM
I took an entire Command team with my villain when they first met.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
exactly. They shot the dog. that's a moral event horizon right there
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
So, I have..something I keep doing that at least people that have RP'd with me, I get requests for ALL the time. Evil stuff.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
Still can't watch that part
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
It was a puppy
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
I do horror stuff and they hate it but love it at the same time, and I make it all kinds of evil.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:37 PM
Puppy/dog - semantics, the moral event horizon was one in the same
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:38 PM
And yes, John Wick that will always be fucked up but put up to the entire purpose of all three movies stems from the fact that killed his dog.
All THREE.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:38 PM
I use the old faithful, torture.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:38 PM
2) Be evil, and don't bottle it. There's a scene in the Denzel Washington film where Denzels character promises to kill everyone involved in the kidnapping of the little girl he is supposed be protecting. Other characters build him up as a terryfying bogey man. The bad guys are crapping themselves as Denzel efficiently offs even those tangetially involved. And then Denzel commits the ultimate mistake. He lets a woman who is absolutely and definitely involved live. That screwed the film for me. And if your hero not following through, then your villain no following through is going to take all the impact out of it.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:38 PM
It was the last thing his dead wife did for him
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:39 PM
If a villain makes a threat, they should follow through
even if that means killing children, cutting out organs, or shaving someones eyebrows
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:39 PM
Mine killed a pilot in front of the Captain to prove a point.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:40 PM
in some cases, the pettier the better as it can emphasise that you villian does not muck about
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:40 PM
Oooo, decent point @Beautiful Night - It's a facade unless anything but happens
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:40 PM
What you can actually show will depend on your game and your players, but don't let that stop you from have your villain doing bad things. Be Brutal, go for their weaknesses. Don't fight the warrior types. Go for the doctors and the children. If your players are on a diplomatic mission, set something up to discredit their authority. Make them choose between awful things, like the sadistic choice Joker set up in The Dark Knight. Take away their money, make sure credit for their achievements goes to someone else. Don't hurt their children. Get their children to love you more and turn against their parents
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:40 PM
In the count of Monty Cristo the villains did not kill him
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:41 PM
@Beautiful Night I do that. I won't hesitate(unless the rating requires it as a NO) to slaughter the crap out of women and children in some kind of messed up way.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:41 PM
which brings me to rule number 3) And Don't kill the PCs.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:41 PM
Oh goodness, there's nothing more that gets me angrier then when watching a movie and they go after the innocents like the medics
Fantastic freaking point!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:41 PM
Yes but the many of our players have either kids or live at home
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:41 PM
Work to elicit a genuine emotion
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:42 PM
As the Riddler said in Batman Forever, "if you kill him, he won't learn nothin!". so no killing. At least not at first. A dead enemy doen'st know they've been beaten. Mutilate them. Scar them. Chop bits off. Every time they look in the mirror, or dent their prosthetic, they'll remember you. Cut a woman's hair off. Or burn it off for extra sadist points.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:42 PM
Without permission, Night, that is the general idea. You talk it through, want your PC to get messed up, sure. However there is one thing to think of also.
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 02:42 PM
As a CO, I always like the idea of creating sacrificial NPCs. Build them up a bit, and then deliver the gut punch when we kill them off.
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:42 PM
And Rule 3 is the hardest one to follow WHEN the PC doesn't do anything to prevent the villain from killing them, or does something totally ineffective! It could violate Rule 2 to follow Rule 3, and that may be one of my problems with villain-playing
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:42 PM
You can’t be to graphic just in case little eyes have a peek over your shoulder
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
Just like with Table Top, if you make that bad a choice and action...um....wow...do you really want to do that? -- Yeah -- Okay don't say you weren't warned.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
I think I wired one of my prisoners (a PC) up to the mains electric, and threw the switch.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
@[PF] AlexM thats always a good one. but you may have to build them up over several adventures to avoid the red shirt effect
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
It’s yellow now
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
and watch out for stuffing people in fridges, it can get repetitive
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:43 PM
@Storming Norman, again, semantics
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:44 PM
In D&D, this evil GM has one character who has survived the entire enslavement of his village, his other two village party members have been killed by monsters (by me), and now the character fears that everyone he knows and loves will die and he will survive them all. Just killed another PC and put him close to death. PC was begging for death, which didn't come to the PC. 😈
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:44 PM
The nomenclature is the same
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 02:44 PM
Oh, I agree. It's always better when it's a character the crew has grown to love.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:44 PM
Nope, just chuck 'em out of an airlock. Much more fun.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:44 PM
But killing them too soon, or largely following the evil overlord list too quickly is also going to put players of your game. becuase the ultimate purpose of a villain, is to lose
the most important thing your villain will ever do, is lose.
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 02:45 PM
This is your 15-minute warning
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:45 PM
So it needs to be a good one
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:45 PM
You mean a big loss?
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:45 PM
Again like I said, there are times though, if you do something that stupid and you were warned more than once. You do it anyway, sorry......squish.
Coma, or incap for months, maybe not Dead, but definitely out of the picture for awhile.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:45 PM
My Riov over reached herself, and the prisoners escaped and caused a prison riot.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:46 PM
@Deleted User eventually. all villains have to be defeated. that is the purpose of drama, and the cartharsis it brings. Unless you're running a oneshot like call of cthulu, where half the fun is everyone dieing, but thats a subject for antoher time
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:46 PM
They escaped and my Riov lost.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:46 PM
Like in Day of the dove
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
Okay, who knows what kills more villains than anything else?
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
Falling
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
Over confidence. (edited)
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
They're superiority complex
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
Capes
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
Bad agents
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:47 PM
@Lia wins the prize. Its Hubris
This is the one thing all villains share
arguably even force of nature villains, as they cannot conceive that the things they attacking are hunters, not prey.) Look at the villains in my list and they all share it. And this is what gets them defeated. How much harm can one cop with shredded feet do? Whoever heard of a man not born of woman? The emperor assumed Vader's loyalty was undivided and eternal
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:48 PM
Its what I used to get my Riov to loose.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:48 PM
you have to build it in, so when you get to your plot's denouement, its how the heroes have a chance
And when you get to that moment, I have rules for that too
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:49 PM
is taking notes furiously
TELL ME MORE!
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:49 PM
(Well, they're more like guidelines really πŸ˜‰ )
1) Have that defeat be deliberate, not off screen.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:50 PM
Good information is always useful.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:50 PM
Chance things happening elsewhere are a) boring and b) unsatisfying
2) Have the villian stay up until as many of them as you can manage are on their last legs. If it’s a physical fight then he lasts until they're bleeding out, potential organ failure, ammo in single figures, down to their last spell points, shields at five percent etc. Look at the pounding that Tony Stark And Steve Rogers took in end game.
If it’s a intellectual or emotional fight, the same principal applies, land your hardest blow, present the most damning evidence, pull the dirtiest trick, just before you're ready to see him taken down. The more hopeless the situation, the more satisfaction in turning the tables and the final victory.
no dawn for players until they've had their darkest moment
fudge the dice, write around anything clever if you can (but without stepping on the cleverness. This is hard, and requires empathy and practise)
3) Don't have the villain fought by a NPC whilst PCs watch.
It sounds obvious but I've been in games where powerful PC were forced to sit around and watch. No one gets the killing blow and everyone goes home sad and mad. And even worse, bored.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:52 PM
Wonderfully said, I'm loving all of this
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:52 PM
OR look at Winter Soldier. Tony kicked both of their asses till it came down to Steve got the ONE leg up and stabbed the arch reactor. (edited)
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:53 PM
4) Hubris, and Irony make for great defeats. In my experience, players love turnabout.
@[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia exactly.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:53 PM
Tony saw..Winter as the Villian. Steve took his side, so he became a 'villian' also.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:53 PM
Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit ended up dipped, Donovan In Indiana jones and the holy grail had a great one, his arrogance lead him to focus on the wrong things about the life of Jesus, and choose…poorly
Those are my basic rules. does anyone have any others?
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:54 PM
I think a simple mistake by the villain, can sometimes give the best surprise result ever.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:55 PM
Absolutely. Hubris again. I don't make mistakes, they'll never stop me
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 02:55 PM
This is your 5-minute warning. Consider moving the conversation to the appropriate overflow room.
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 02:55 PM
I ran a D&D campaign years ago in college. At our last session, we had our final boss fight against the recurring villain. Of course I wrote my game like a JRPG, so it was a multi-stage fight.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:55 PM
If you can, try planning your villains defeat from the get go. The type of villain he is can help with that. A petty Bully gets hoisted by his own petard, a Greedy thief gets caught by the police.
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:56 PM
My only rule would be, good or bad, you discuss it with the command team and even if the other players don't like how it seems to be going, respect what has already been talked about behind the scene.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:56 PM
^^ also good point
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:56 PM
I can agree with that @[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia communications with the command team are critical, whether you're playing the villain or one of the people fighting the villain
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 02:57 PM
But when it was all said and done, I gave the heroes one last fight. The villain was broken and beaten, but still alive. And I gave each of them one chance to describe some ridiculous over the top final hit, just so they can have the satisfaction of that getting that ultimate victory over the villain.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:57 PM
My Riov got over confident, pulled troops away from the prison and the good guys escaped.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:57 PM
These are great points, and shows that Hubris is the one thing all villains have.
we're close to time, so.
I have one last thought. If you had fun with your villain, and really want to play them again, remember the wisdom of Marvel: If your villain dies, and you don't find the body, he isn't dead If you find a body, it’s a decoy If you find the body, and its not a decoy, then the mind has escaped If you find the body, and its not a decoy, and the mind is definitely in there, then the villains, child/sibling takes over. If you find the body, no decoy, mind definitely dead, and no one takes over the name, the villain wasn't good enough anyway πŸ˜›
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 02:58 PM
Feel free to move over to #overflow-two if you want to keep talking πŸ™‚
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 02:58 PM
I think Night is Sus.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 02:58 PM
Thank you @Beautiful Night, you explained things and aided us in better creating a villain .
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 02:58 PM
lol, concur
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:58 PM
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL panel, @Beautiful Night! My notes seriously look like scribbles, but I took them down furiously. Thank you for the time and for presenting such a dynamic topic!
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:59 PM
There will be transcripts in a fortnight or so
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[RPGW] Amanda Rose 14-Nov-20 02:59 PM
As I said earlier @Beautiful Night what is basic to you is advanced for everyone else. Well done.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:59 PM
and if anyone has questions, please PM me.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 02:59 PM
Thank you so much, @Beautiful Night!!
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 02:59 PM
Your welcome.
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 03:00 PM
======STARSHIPS, MORE THAN JUST VEHICLES======
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:00 PM
See you next year @Beautiful Night ??
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:00 PM
Next up is @[PF] Cipherhornet18 and their panel: Starships, More than Just Vehicles
@Lia, always. I think it will be my fourth year. I'm not sure, I've lost count πŸ˜„
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:01 PM
When your doing something right, don't knock it.
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 03:01 PM
This is gonna be a good one...
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:02 PM
I'm so freaking excited
I love listening to @Cipherhornet18 talk about starships
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 03:02 PM
As someone freakishly interested in R&D stuff, ohhh yeah
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 03:02 PM
You already added googly eyes to your ship, didn’t you, @Deleted User? πŸ˜›
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:02 PM
Yes!
On either side of its nose (edited)
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:03 PM
Tried to design my own star ship once, not good.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:03 PM
Alrighty, hello. I'm Cipher, as stated, I'm on the Resources team with Pegasus Fleet. And what I'd like to get into is going to be summarized in a quote by Gene Roddenberry himself - "Please remember that a major hero of Star Trek has always been the Starship Enterprise and her mission. The ship is not just a vehicle - she is the touchstone by which all of our characters demonstrate who they are and what they're up to in the universe."
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And this is a multisided issue, firstly what ships are being offered and how to make your ship a character of your sim. While I'll be sticking mainly to Trek, you can think of this too with other RPG settings where you want a ship that isn't just a way to getting from point A to point B.
So, let's look at first the ship classes themselves. Of course, canon gives us plenty of options to start, but of course, as with all settings, fans will want more options, something to meet what they're wanting, and that's okay. But consider a question - if we don't appreciate a Mary Sue character, should we not apply the same thinking to a ship design and intent?
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:08 PM
Wholeheartedly
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:08 PM
Any ship can ONLY do so much.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:09 PM
There's this meme floating around, of a fanon Star Destroyer that is so massive that it carries Super Star Destroyers like fighters. And someone added a fake letter from it's CO about how such a size got so out of hand that making a left turn wiped out an entire fleet in their wake, the various departments were forming tribes and going to war and the bridge viewscreen was so massive it induced vertigo.
It's amusing, but it illustrates the point.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:10 PM
Size isn't everything.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:10 PM
It’s the crew that makes the ship
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:11 PM
An "ace of all trades" design that does everything perfectly and can handle any mission equally well with zero compromises and it can shrug off fire from a Borg Tactical Cube, it's got Quantum Slip Stream Drive with no drawbacks, the best sensors and so on and so on, well, yeah that sounds like a hero ship, but what kind of threat do you then have to sell on the story?
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:11 PM
And how interesting would it be to play?
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:11 PM
Exactly.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:12 PM
It's pretty to look at, but that's about it, right?
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:12 PM
There's no such thing as a perfect ship.
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 03:12 PM
A ship with qwirks is the best
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:12 PM
Imperfection = More fun
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:12 PM
I like Voyager, I think that ship is just right.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:13 PM
Sooner or later people will lose interest because all your plots are doomsday plots that only they can fix. I was in a group where we fought a big bad for like...3 RL years. I went LOA 4 times because it became emotionally draining to always be in that plot, and that's really the only plot you can sell with such a design.
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:14 PM
In other words, shorter stories can generate more attention because the main event keeps changing? (edited)
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:14 PM
Unless the ship starts out as perfect but something goes wrong and it’s not.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:14 PM
Well, more like in this perfect ship, you can only sell doomsday plots
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:14 PM
Like the Jupiter two
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:14 PM
This is a ship.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:15 PM
Having a couple Klingons roll up with some old Birds of Prey and trying to say you're in danger is asking a lot of suspension of disbelief
And some literary gymnastics to sell anything lesser than your ship as a threat.
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:15 PM
Here's a question: With Lowered Decks having come out and shown that's possible to have a sense of humour in a trek series, could this end up affecting simming?
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:16 PM
Affect, maybe, but some sims want a smaller ship with a different focus.
But I like that you brought up LD
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:16 PM
I have always tried to sim like that
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:16 PM
Why? Humour is universal, and on my sim we use it.
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 03:16 PM
I am about to do a humorous mission on the Ceres
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:16 PM
I do agree, humor is always relevant.
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:17 PM
Maybe I am merely jaded, but it seems like any sim observed was too much about paperwork and protocol and not enough of selling the idea that it's fun and interesting to join...
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:17 PM
Humor as the running theme, well, that's where you may have some issues, but that's a little outside the scope of where I'm going
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:17 PM
I think humour works best, when it's unexpected. (edited)
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:17 PM
But the ship could be humourus
red dwarf
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:18 PM
Back to the topic please people.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:18 PM
Though, on the subject of Lower Decks - the USS Ceritos and the California-class in general. Would it perhaps be safe to say that the show might have been affected if the Ceritos had been a Sovereign or Odyssey class instead of what it was?
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:19 PM
Oh, absolutely.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:19 PM
We don’t get the show in the uk
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 03:19 PM
Totally different character.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:19 PM
Indeed
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:19 PM
The reason I bring this up is because there are GMs who have a specific vision for their sim - being stuck with some hero ship like a Sovereign would be like handing them a quite literal boat anchor.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:20 PM
Oh wow, I'd not actually thought of that before
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:20 PM
"Not everyone gets the best ship in the fleet"
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:20 PM
Surely they get a choice before taking command
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:20 PM
For some reason, I am getting flashbacks of Space Quest V
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[PF] Thompson 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
CO's dont really get a list of ships to chooce
its more like job applications
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Some do want a smaller or even an older ship, it ties into their story. And that's why you shouldn't be afraid to have ship classes with flaws and when creating fanon designs, don't be afraid to make a class that excels in one area but falls flat on its face in other roles.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
They two choices, Take Command or stay where you are.
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[PF] Thompson 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
mixed with assignments
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Even in our fleet?
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
in that game, the character you play ends up being the CO of a garbage scow with a crew that hates your guts. You're off to a wonderous start :D
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Some fleets like PF are more open to letting you pick, but I believe others you are stuck with what they decided in advance.
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Nothing says backwater outpost like a state of the art Stardock-class station.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Oh
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
Bingo @[PF] AlexM
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:21 PM
If people got the choice of the ships they commanded, they'd all be in sovereigns
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:22 PM
Some do want a smaller or even an older ship, it ties into their story. And that's why you shouldn't be afraid to have ship classes with flaws and when creating fanon designs, don't be afraid to make a class that excels in one area but falls flat on its face in other roles.
@Cipherhornet18 So, almost as you would balance out the strengths and weaknesses of your biological characters, you do the same with your ships
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:22 PM
Not always
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:22 PM
Exactly, from a Resources perspective, we don't put up with Mary Sue characters, so why should we then put up with it in ship designs?
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
I would want a ship like Voyager, small, nimble and strong enough to take punishment.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
Yeah, we all have that moment of "I want the state of the art", even for a moment.
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
"No no, we only have one nacelle on purpose! The other is simply MIA."
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
The USS Hornet, my first thought was "Sovereign." but I stopped myself because we had like 3 at the time and it was too obvious.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
Or a fix a upper
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
Unfortunately, my other two choices were being phased out and I took one that the only reason we have it anymore is because I took it but still...lol
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:23 PM
I like the Hornet
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:24 PM
((USS Hornet is my ship, btw, sorry I should've said that))
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:24 PM
It’s me.....
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:24 PM
Also, fixing a damaged ship can be a plot point. I'm loving how beaten up the Razorcrest is in Mandalorian at the moment. Or when Serenity ran out of gas. Can't do that with a shiny hero ship
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:24 PM
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Enterprise A
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:25 PM
What do you think of the Nebula class??
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:25 PM
Exactly, there are virtues in having some old ship on the end of its lifespan, maybe you get stuck with the Second Line missions like in Lower Decks. It's falling apart like the Enterprise-A was in ST:V, but on the other hand, it's tried and true, it's got all manner of history to it and it has quirks.
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 03:25 PM
So, @Cipherhornet18...I’ve got a ship with a specific trait that kind of sets it apart, but aside from that, it comes across as your run-of-the-mill hero explorer. How do I go about building a unique character for it that doesn’t hinge solely on that one trait? Like...where’s the best place to start? (edited)
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:26 PM
Nebulas I have a soft spot for. A they like baby Galaxies, so they look nice, and B the modularity of them actually is a nice idea.
Well, that's going to move us into our next step
You've picked your ship, but how do you make it your ship.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:26 PM
I thought the Ambassador class is more like that
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:27 PM
I used two Nebula's in a fanfic I once wrote, because they are what I call "Jacks of all trades".
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:27 PM
And I'd like to kick this off with a couple of quotes. The first being between Janeway and Tuvok during "Year of Hell Pt. II"
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:27 PM
And you get to be rescued by the USS Titan!
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:27 PM
"Curious. I have never understood the Human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. This vessel has done nothing. It is an assemblage of bulkheads, conduits, tritanium – nothing more." "Oh, you're wrong. It's much more than that. This ship has been our home. It's kept us together. It's been part of our family. As illogical as this might sound, I feel as close to Voyager as I do to any other member of my crew. It's carried us, Tuvok. Even nurtured us. And right now, it needs one of us."
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Kuro-chan 14-Nov-20 03:28 PM
Who ends up spilling where the Cerritos' illegal romulan ale was secretly coming from...
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:28 PM
I'm also a fan of the Romulan Valdor class ships.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:28 PM
And another from an unlikely source - Top Gear and The Grand Tour's Jeremy Clarkson - "[A car] has to have flaws so you can appreciate it more and it becomes more than just a machine."
I can go on for days about what I like and don't like about each ship class, believe me. Part of why I got the Resources job lol
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 03:29 PM
^^^ That I will attest to
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:29 PM
Yes but if Janeway was not stranded 80 years from home she would feel@differently
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:29 PM
And as everyone on the PF resources team will attest to, I have gone on for days
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:29 PM
@Storming Norman I don't think so.
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 03:30 PM
I don't think so either.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:30 PM
My I just formally apologise on behalf of the British people for Jeremy Clarkson
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:30 PM
But as Tuvok pointed out, when you get your ship, it's just a ship. As Jeremy Clarkson said about one of his cars he never bonded with, "I never bonded with it, it was a laptop, I never got up in the morning asking Oh dear is it alright?. It's just at the end of the day..A Car."
I happen to love The Grand Tour and Top Gear when he and the guys were on it, so let's put that to one side. But his words are tying nicely to what I'm getting into
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
I think most of the shows had characters that treated the ship with reverence and respect. Like Scotty fighting a Klingon over an insult to his Enterprise. Or the tears they all felt when they later watched that ship break apart on reentry after activating the self destruct. You don't react that way if it's "just a ship."
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
It's now about making that ship yours. And like a car, even a new one, the traits aren't going to be readily visible.
@[PF] AlexM Bingo!
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
It helps a crew and Captain if they like their ship, Kirk and Enterprise ,Janeway and Voyager. (edited)
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
I'm a big fan of Malcolm Reynold's view on ships
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
Another quote that I've always loved is a quote from Riker. "Fate protects fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise."
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:32 PM
"Love is what keeps her in the air"
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:33 PM
Kirk loved the Enterprise
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:33 PM
The ship is a character, when someone talks smack about it, you want your crew to get worked up. When it gets badly damaged, you want them to worry about it as if a character they loved was laid up in sickbay.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:33 PM
My favorite scene from "The Trouble with Tribbles" is Scotty not getting bothered about the Klingons insulting the Captain, but starting a fight when they called the Enterprise a garbage scow (edited)
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:34 PM
Oooh, but my favorite relevant quote might have been from one Admiral McCoy. "She might be a different ship, but she's got the right name. Now listen here, boy. You treat her like a lady, and she'll always bring you home."
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:34 PM
"Let me rephrase that. It's not a garbage scow. It should be hauled away AS garbage!!"
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:34 PM
In fact, I'm also reminded of what Captain Freeman said when the yard master wanted to refit the Ceritos, "Hell no! You put her back the way she was! I hate when a ship gets banged up and then it comes out all Sovereign-class looking!"
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:34 PM
I wish they would show it here
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
You'll just have to illegally download it like the rest of us
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
I like the quote from JAck Sparrow about the Black Pearl. "Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and a hull and sails; that's what a ship needs. Not what a ship is. What the Black Pearl really is, is freedom." a ship works when it encapsulates a lot of the feel of the show.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
I actually will admit I'm struggling with this myself, but it's in the back of my mind. Because the first source of inspiration is the ship's namesake. There's history to be found there, I wouldn't say rip it off but maybe find something there.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
No I don’t do things like that
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
Voyager is an Intrepid, it is intrepid explorers. Enterprise is Galaxy - its dealing with galactic threats.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:35 PM
An interesting way to put that, I like that.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:36 PM
Without spoiling anything, I will say that this week's episode of Discovery and the internet's reaction to it is direct proof that name matters
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:36 PM
Now for ships that share a name with a warship from WW2 or something, it's easy to just go, "Oh courage under fire" or something. Yeah...but that's not really ideal for Starfleet, is it?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:36 PM
The Enterprise of humanity is to go beyond
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[PF] Thompson 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
I think ww2 and our modern ship naming schemes are proof the name matters
They inspire
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
Names are critical.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
Case in point - the USS Hornet's previous namesakes were a ship that appeared on a display in Redemption Pt. 2, and two US Navy carriers.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
Plus it’s traditional to name a ship Enterprise
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
One was lost in WW2
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
I once called a ship Ranger, because I once visited an aircraft carrier of that name.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:37 PM
You don't see submarines called the Mary Jane, or the London Rose
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Captain Zak 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
I have an Eclipse class ship I named Penumbra. We're in the "grey area" between the dark and he light!
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
But, to go straight to the military service history, while valid, it leads to a lot of overlap.
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
No, but we did have the Nautilus πŸ™‚
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
And the historical mary rose had a small problem
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
I have a theory that the reason most ships are named after Human stuff is because Humans like to pack bond with anything
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
Screen door jammed?
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
And you're back to square one - what sets your ship from the other ships that all have "courage under fire" or "war winning record" for their name
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
And therefore anthropomorphize their ships
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
Anywho, Cipher please continue
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
while the other species just roll their eyes at them
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
So, I have a serious question for you @Cipherhornet18
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
So what about the "Darkstar"?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:38 PM
It’s her crew
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:39 PM
Fire away
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:39 PM
We know that a lot of players shop around for an RPG based on the ship-class first. How do we entice a player to be interested in our RPG without first being turned off completely by the ship's class or name, even?
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:40 PM
What does that class and name represent?? A small class may say there's no room for running NPCs
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:40 PM
Honestly - then it's selling it on what sets that ship's mission and what you'll find on that ship that you won't find elsewhere.
Like, I'm struggling with that myself
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Denday14 14-Nov-20 03:40 PM
Needent I remind you My dear captain that I helped build that ship as a project to graduate....It's more my ship than anybody I just let you keep the seat warm πŸ˜›
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:40 PM
I'd have expectations of a ship call the Executor.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:40 PM
USS Hornet - Century-class - Big whoop.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
Ya
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
But one thing I've found in the Hornet's history - anyone know the name of the ship that recovered the Apollo 11 astronauts?
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
The Hornet?
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[TF/6F (ret)] Ktasay 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
Personally I love the small ships. Oberth and Nova are fun.
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
That's why I've always said that a new sim needs to think about their identity first. What do they want to be? What do they want to do? How do they want to handle those situations? Once they have all of those things in mind, then they can start thinking about the ship's class.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
So maybe there's something to be found there in that part - the unsung hero of a major step in humanity's space exploration. Maybe not.
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Denday14 14-Nov-20 03:41 PM
Small ship's are just simple everything you need is right there.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:42 PM
But past the name - the quirks and traits are going to not be something you'll have right away
Think of a new car - you don't know what quirks it has for a little while
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:42 PM
HMS Bounty, not seen a starship with that name.
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:43 PM
What if you genuinely thought of them as persons. For example, what would the spaceship equivalent of Murtagh from lethal weapon be? One year from decommissioning, trying to avoid adventures, and then a crazy captain shows up...
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:43 PM
But as you get further along with it, you start to notice quirks. Some good some bad, but that's the important thing - quirks aren't something to be avoided, they're what give it character
@Beautiful Night a valid point as well. Because it is a character and as such, it has a personality.
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[IP] Coffee Addict 14-Nov-20 03:44 PM
I realized that I made the Ceres "all new and very powerful" but I did add qwirks to it, like it has too much power Nd on the verge of overloading at any moment
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:46 PM
One story element, for example, that I've gone with is the Hornet was supposed to be scrapped after her keel was laid down - Starfleet wanted its materials for more Inquiry classes. It was grudgingly finished and it has a junior crew because no one else could be bothered. That as we go may manifest itself further. Systems might not be running as tight as they should be, the crew is junior and has big boots to fill. They aren't supposed to be out there but they're doing it.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:46 PM
NCC 77703 USS Pathway, this was a ship based on the Intrepid class I used in a Fanfic. it worked rather well.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:46 PM
Even just an idea can grow and blossom, just as a rough idea of a character dev can grow and blossom into helping to make your character rounded
Flaws, perks, ups and downs. We expect it in characters, so give them to your ship
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Mikey- Rozia 14-Nov-20 03:47 PM
I'm getting a brand-new Odyssey-class ship to play with ( @[PF] Amethyst thinks it's actually hers since she's the CO of the ship), so I'm sure I'll get to help her find problems with the ship, too
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:47 PM
You've got an older ship, encourage your engineers to have a love/hate relationship with it.
It's barely holding together but it keeps them busy and their hands dirty
That's an example, anyways
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[TF/6F (ret)] Ktasay 14-Nov-20 03:48 PM
That's what I did ages ago before retiring... Ran an Oberth (USS Faulkner) out of a starbase as a training sim for the academy.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:48 PM
It's brand spanking new with new tech? Okay - how many things run day one perfectly?
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:48 PM
Oh it's gonna have Disneyworld Syndrome πŸ™‚
(That means nothing works on day one. Not that it's run by anthropomorphic Marxist rats)
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Beautiful Night 14-Nov-20 03:49 PM
there's shake down voyages for a reason...
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:49 PM
Sickly smiles
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:49 PM
As Sarge would say in RvB: "BUG REPORT! BUG REPORT! Report ala Bug! That's French for BUG REPORT!"
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 03:49 PM
...and if you have a resources team or R&D or lore masters or whatever your community calls them, reach out and see what ideas they might have. They might see something in your ship that you hadn’t noticed before.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:49 PM
Yes
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
As someone in the Pegasus Fleet Resources department as well, I can only stress this, they are there to help
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[PF] AlexM 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
Just be careful because they do often have ideas.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
Hee hee
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
And like the Ferengi say: The only thing more dangerous than a question, is an answer.
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[TF/6F (ret)] Ktasay 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
LOL I deas are fun and sometimes evil.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:50 PM
As with anything, don't be afraid to get outside eyes on it. Sometimes it helps to have someone take a look, but yeah, be careful because those flaws you fell in love with might be something that a third party is going to have questions about...
But to loop it all back around in the last 10 mins.
A Mary Sue isn't a good character, so don't let it be a ship too. For many sims, your ship is your selling point. And yes, there is going to be a risk in niche appeals, I've seen a few niche sims pop up in PF. But it makes me happy to see them because you're willing to take that gamble.
You don't need to come up with all of your ship's emotional baggage in one day and drop it into one post - I frankly dislike that when it's done for a character. No sense of pacing, so take your time. Look to your ship's class, it's name, it's history but also it's future.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:53 PM
Ships are like people, some good, some bad.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:53 PM
Exactly
And again, it's not just Star Trek. Consider the Millennium Falcon, Serenity and the countless other examples. The worst thing you can do is to wake up every day and just see your ship as A Ship.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:55 PM
Unless it's just intended to be a vehicle and the focus is elsewhere, of course, but that's a different subject altogther.
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:56 PM
Even Thunderbird 3 had it fans.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:56 PM
At that point, it's more a prop than a character, right?
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:56 PM
Pretty much
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 03:56 PM
This was a very informative panel Cipher. Really gave me a lot to think about in regards to the ships I'd be putting together for any of my work.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:57 PM
I thank everyone for your time and contribution, I hope that I've at least got you thinking, or at least killed an hour in a positive and informative manner lol
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 03:57 PM
@Cipherhornet18 - great work! Thank you! A great panel topic and very well done. πŸ˜„
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:57 PM
Yes @Cipherhornet18 thank you for your time and effort in this little talk.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:57 PM
Agreed! This was a most excellent panel and one that I've been looking forward to for weeks
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm ripping out all of the "lifts" on the Cardinal (edited)
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:58 PM
Thank you all.
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 03:58 PM
LOL
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Denday14 14-Nov-20 03:58 PM
Welcome everyone!
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Lia 14-Nov-20 03:59 PM
Stairs are nice, try stairs @Deleted User
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 03:59 PM
Ladders
That's what you get
Ladders
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 03:59 PM
It’s a reboot it’s a reboot it’s a reboot
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 03:59 PM
I believe now it's time for our next presenter. If anyone wants to get me going for days on ship classes, I guess overflow-two? Someone can correct me there.
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
You are correct, @Cipherhornet18!
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Reminder BOT 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
======ST: DISCOVERY DISCUSSION [SPOILER ALERT]======
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
It’s a reboot it’s a reboot it’s a reboot
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
#overflow-two is open for anyone who would like to continue conversing with @Cipherhornet18!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
Mwahahaha! It is now my panel!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:00 PM
It’s a reboot it’s a reboot it’s a reboot
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[PF] Virtam 14-Nov-20 04:01 PM
Okay, @Storming Norman...
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:01 PM
Welcome everyone to Star Trek Discovery - Do Kelpians Grow Beards?
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:01 PM
:mutemallet:
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:01 PM
Sorry when ever I see it discuss Discovery I have to say this first or I won’t enjoy it
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:02 PM
@Storming Norman Please don't ruin it for those of us who want to be here.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:02 PM
So, basically what this panel entails is a freeform discussion of Discovery so far, up to and including the current season (season 3)
I will ask that discussions of THIS week's episode be off limits
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:02 PM
I wouldn’t do that I love the shoe
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:03 PM
So, "People of Earth" is the last episode that we will be discussing
Customary SPOILER WARNING
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[USF] - [●●] RAdm De'luvia 14-Nov-20 04:03 PM
Tobias. It said SPOILER ALERT.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:04 PM
So, of course, the reason I have titled this discussion "Do Kelpians Grow Beards?" is due to the trope that Star Trek series tend to "grow the beard" after the first two seasons
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Skoll 14-Nov-20 04:04 PM
Hated season 1 everything since has been awesone
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:04 PM
It started with Riker in TNG, and continued with Sisko in DS9
So, the question is... can Captain Saru grow a beard?
Or, rather, do you think Discovery has grown its beard?
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:05 PM
Okay, so, I think one of the changes in the series I've really enjoyed witnessing over the last several years has primarily been concerning the fan-base. When most started by saying it was "good sci-fi", now they're starting to identify with the series after two years of character-building and see it like Trek.
I don't know how I'd feel if Saru grew a beard, but yes, to your point, I think it's grown into itself very well
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:05 PM
I think it’s finally become what we hoped
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:05 PM
Yeah, I think every new Trek series suffers from a bit of "Not MY Star Trek!!" at first
Gonna be honest, I felt that way about Enterprise
But, going back, I really like that series
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:05 PM
I thought "Forget me not" was last weeks?
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Skoll 14-Nov-20 04:06 PM
I am one of those who converted David Mack asked me to stop shitting on his baby
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:06 PM
Sorry, yes, I stand corrected
"Forget Me Not" is the latest episode we can talk about
I would like to give people time to catch up on "Die Trying"
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:06 PM
The Trill one
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
Is anyone else getting a bit thin on how they are dragging out everything in 3?
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Skoll 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
I loved the trill arc
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
I don't feel like it's dragging, personally
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
Not at all
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
No it adds to the story
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
Yeah, I agree with Ken though it's more divisive than normal these days. I've found I've enjoyed DSC since Season One, honestly, but Season 3, either I'm getting soft or every single episode has left me misty eyed at least once per episode.
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Stephen Hunter UK 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
I definitely think the show has grown its beard.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
There's a lot of world building to do
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
I feel the pacing is fine for a show that knows it's getting ten episodes.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
For the first time in nearly 20 years, we are finally advancing into the future
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
Not at all, @[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3, I'm loving how they're taking their time to introduce an era that is familiar yet completely unfamiliar, too
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
They have to build up like 800 years or so of history
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:07 PM
(Lower Deck and Picard not withstanding)
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Skoll 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
I have loved season 3
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Stephen Hunter UK 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
Alas, Jonathan Frakes has been in the director's chair.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
No I mean like Phillpa and Detmer... they just keep padding and padding
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
Oooooo
Yes!
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
Season 1 nah. Season two πŸ‘
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
I hear you on that one
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
I think they're building to something with Phillipa
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
And Detmer
They've paced that super slow, yes
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:08 PM
Yeah, I think Detmer there's something wrong with her implant
But, Phillipa... I will leave that speculation alone
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Detmer takes one shot to the head and suddenly she's a nervous cadet again?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Because of the current episode
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
They are absolutely building with Phillipa
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Am I the only one that didn't 100% hate Season 1?
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
No
You're not
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Definitely, there were problems
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
I don't mind a slower pace, it's nice to let things build. Too often a show drops all it's baggage on the floor and like tells you to deal with it
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Ken: Loved it
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
I wasn't a fan of the Klingons, of course
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
@[IDF] Ken Gillis No, I liked it
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
I was just about to say that I'm probably one of the few that has enjoyed all three seasons exactly as they are
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
I liked Season 1, flaws and all.
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
Detention is the one with one side her head shaved
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
The Klingons were the biggest thing I didn't like about Discovery Season 1 (edited)
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:09 PM
But, I love ANY Mirror Universe stuff
ANd I think this is the most MU stuff we've ever gotten
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
they looked like they'd been glitter bombed
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
People whining about Lorca? I actually got a a kick out of him.
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
Heck, season one was almost 80% MU
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
Long Live Captain Killy!
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
Yes, Captain Killy!
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
As far as Season 2, I wasn't a huge fan of there being a giant Section 31 fleet, but I loved how they fixed the Klingons, and I absolutely loved Pike
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
I LOVE Reno
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
And the Imperial flagship.... ooooo
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:10 PM
And that Enterprise bridge is the best modernized Enterprise bridge I've ever seen
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:11 PM
The uniforms were cool
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:11 PM
Reno, Phillipa, Tilly...Pike really got great
Now it's not just riding high on The Cage
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:11 PM
I will reserve my feelings about Captain Killy for a more adult conversation
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:11 PM
Are they all
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
How cute are Stammets and Culber?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
OMG
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
Tilly I love because she's almost...the audience in a way, she reacts to things more like how others watching would.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
I love Stamets and Culber
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
I actually do enjoy that relationship, it's one of the better ones in Trek in general, I think.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
I'm a straight guy, but I'm pretty immersed in the LGBTQ+ community, and Stamets and Culber are probably the most natural/realistic gay couple I've ever seen on "network TV"
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
I cannot stand Stamets
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:12 PM
Those two are amazing actors given phenomenal characters
He is a bit of a prick....
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
I like Tilly
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
Yeah, Stamets is a tool
But, I think that's just how the character is meant to be
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
He is, but that's I think what further builds the character.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
And Anthony Rapp plays it great
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Deleted User 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
Which is a testament to his actor
Exactly
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
Oh, and Tig
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:13 PM
And his back and forth with Reno is amazing.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
Gray and Adira made me cry
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
Tig Notaro is absolutely perfect
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
Oh yeah
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
I just wanna say, Saru is awesome
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
She kills it every time, the cantankerous engineer to a T
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
I love that we finally get a non-human as a hero ship captain
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
Saru...talk about a character arc.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
Right?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:14 PM
And not even a "human with pointy ears/weird forehead"
A full on alien
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
Yeah, he's not "Human that fell down in Party City"
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
Even his mannerisms are alien
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
He's the one who has really seen some change and growth and making him Captain was just like, "YUUUUSSS!"
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
"It's you, and if I'm being honest, It was always you"
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
He was humble when he accepted the Captain job
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
As someone who writes a lot of alien characters in the fleet, I appreciate that he doesn't really have a full grasp of human mannerisms and expectations
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
And then immediately turned into "I'm the Captain, start acting like it"
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:15 PM
the hands behind him wiggle.... owns me every time.
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
He didn't instantly pick up on nuance, body language, expression and such
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
I'm glad he's captain. Michael is more of a Riker type (not that Riker isn't a great captain, but I'm more talking about Riker from TNG)
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
Yeah
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
She likes to be on the front lines
Saru is content on the bridge
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
"Get. Our. Hands. On?" greatest line ever from him
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:16 PM
A character I write feels that she's an expert on human culture, and is hilariously and consistantly wrong by JUST THAT MUCH
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
And I have to say, Michelle Yeoh has some good talent to sell both Prime and Mirror Phillipa as both same and different.
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
Tobias, careful. I think you're nearing Spoiler territory
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
He came so close to shouting at her.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
"Get. Our. Hands. On?" greatest line ever from him
@[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 be careful, we don't want to spoil the current episode
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
Oh. Sorry... they blend together.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
I understand
Trust me, I want to fanboy about the current episode, too
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
A slip of the thumb, fueled by enthusiasm.
Those who have seen it, we all do
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:17 PM
The first episode of season three was good
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:18 PM
So, the Trill
Do you guys think it's a matter of inconsistency in canon, or do you think the Trill are still covering stuff up?
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:18 PM
Very Blade Runner ish
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:18 PM
Did anyone else catch "Bounce a graviton poloron beam off the main deflector dish" in Ep 2?
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
Yes
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
It’s difficult to call
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
That's the way we do it here!
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
I was questioning why a symbiote could go into a non-Trill, since my stepmom was and we both were referencing when they tried with Riker and that didn't go great, but I also feel that we do have the benefit of the doubt of 800+ years of medical advances.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
Making stuff up as we go!
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
Trill: 100% cover up.
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
Though I don't think they're being forthright either.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:19 PM
Yeah, they did say "we have never involuntarily separated a symbiont from a host"
But, they forget Dax
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
I have a theory but not everyone has seen the new episode so I can’t share
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
Dax was also quite some time ago from where they stand.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
Eitehr they forgot, or it's still a secret
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
I think everyone actively tries to forget Tobin
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
I'm more then confident that they're happy to cover up their mistakes.
Also, 800+ years
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
I think they're still being secretive
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
Oh absolutely
In fact, everyone has set their Paranoia to 11
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:20 PM
Half of those Trill were ecstatic to find out a human could carry a symbiont
The other half were still like "we can't let people know, or there will be a run on symbionts!"
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Storming Norman 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Didn’t Riker
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Earth was straight up like, "We're closed. Go away or get got."
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Riker was temporary
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Yeah but it sucked.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
That was true in DS9 as well....when it came out every Trill could host
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Cipher: Looks like Stark was right. Earth was closed.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
Also, they retconned quite a bit from that episode with Riker
It wasn't every Trill, but it was most
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
But again, medical technology may have advanced enough too
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
If they're still clinging to that maxim, then that means they probably went super religious. No offense to religion.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:21 PM
yup
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
Well, I mean, drones did the surgery on site with Gray
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
But, they did point out that Adira, though human, didn't fully 'connect' with the symbiont
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
But if they're doubling down on their cultural heritage of essentially treating symbiots as Excalibur.
Truth
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Cipherhornet18 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
The medical robots were pretty quick to go, "Yep, she's good. Let's get it done."
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[PF] Amethyst 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
She was a vessel for the symbiont but she wasn't able to 'connect' with it.
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
Well, there is a joining ceremony involved
And Adira didn't go through it
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[PF] CorCordale 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
She had to be baptized in magic holy water to receive the full communion of... wait, this sounds worse.
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
Tal had to accept Adira
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[IDF] Ken Gillis 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
At least, not until the episode
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[PF] Tobias Bishop - CO DS3 14-Nov-20 04:22 PM
They even said that in dialog